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Martingale comes in other guises. One of them, some call a 'Super Martingale,' where you add one unit to your next bet after doubling it. It looks like this: 1-3-7-15-31 and so on. Some hucksters have marketed it as a roulette system and sold it for $40 in a very popular gambling magazine. I martingale more aggressively at the beginning of my blackjack game. I martingale the first count when it reaches 4. Since the second parameter is more consistent, I martingale it after it reaches 3. I go up to 7 in both cases (2-4-8 and 2-4-8-18). The Martingale System for blackjack is premised on a player starting with a low entry bet which is then doubled every time a player encounters a loss.

Obv you suffer from Mathematicians Fallacy. Lol

Yes but my doctor has me on something to control it.

when playing bj, i strictly follow this guide http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/
no one has answered my question. I know all the pitfalls and fallacies involved with this system, thanks anyway for the advice. All I'm asking is, given the same bankroll and the following bj rules, which gives me better odds, bj or roulette?
dealer hits on soft 17
BJ pays 3:2
dealer uses 6 decks
no surrender
no double after split

What are the table limits on your BJ and craps games? If I was dead-set on playing a marty, I might consider doing it on a game like craps where splits/doubles weren't a concern. BJ starts with a lower edge, but lost splits/doubles increase the effective HE by increasing the likelihood that the table max will bite you.

I started experimenting with the martingale system. I know it's a losing system in the long run but there are a couple things you can do to limit your risk:
1. bring as much to the table as you can (max table limit)
2. set a goal and walk away once you reach it
3. set a max number of spins or dice rolls (roulette/craps).
using these rules, I've won most of my sessions and thus, I am up overall. I was wondering if the house might have less of an edge if I use the same system in blackjack. Obviously, split hands and double-downs throw a wrench in the system so they would be used only with the smaller bets or not at all.
thoughts?

This is absurd. Using martingale, you can expect to be ahead a good portion of the time because it tilts the house edge. Like a delay--instead of a constant stream, you dam it up, then it suddenly comes at you in a flood. What happens is that you will, very quickly--and much more quickly than the worst of players--end up losing all your gains. You are not limiting your risk, you are increasing it. Setting goals is nonsense, you are playing a negative expectation game. A max number of spins/rolls is similar nonsense. Any martingale user will win most sessions. You are playing with the same house edge as everyone else, only with a different standard deviation; martingale changes the variance, not the house's advantage. Of course, since you don't double down or split when it is optimal, you obviously are far from playing perfect strategy. So you are playing with a higher house edge than everyone else. You are basically a very poor player, which results in a higher than normal house edge--using a system that will result in frequent small wins and occasional massive losses. You have been gambling this whole time with a horrible system that does not work. If you don't quit while your ahead, you will regret it.

when playing bj, i strictly follow this guide http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/
no one has answered my question. I know all the pitfalls and fallacies involved with this system, thanks anyway for the advice. All I'm asking is, given the same bankroll and the following bj rules, which gives me better odds, bj or roulette?
dealer hits on soft 17
BJ pays 3:2
dealer uses 6 decks
no surrender
no double after split

What am I missing? Did you really just ask which game gives you the best odds between BJ (at the above mentioned rules) or Roulette?????
Unless I'm monumentally naive or I have missed something quite blatant, perhaps you should do some more investigation before trying to put more money at risk on games you clearly don't understand AT ALL!

What am I missing? Did you really just ask which game gives you the best odds between BJ (at the above mentioned rules) or Roulette?????
Unless I'm monumentally naive or I have missed something quite blatant, perhaps you should do some more investigation before trying to put more money at risk on games you clearly don't understand AT ALL!

His question is in regards to his system.
When playing a system like that, you want to avoid (I assume) those wild swings (variance), that are mostly caused by (in BJ) splits and doubles. If you're betting on the outside in roulette (black/red, odd/even, first/last 18), you're not going to have that kind of variance. Although, yes, there is a higher HE in roulette, I'm going to say you're probably better off playing roulette than BJ, because you don't have to double down and whatnot in roulette. At least, you might be able to stay alive longer in roulette than BJ. Your best bet is likely to be at a craps table, martingale on the pass (or don't pass).
In my opinion, the best betting system out there today, is not to use one!

His question is in regards to his system.
When playing a system like that, you want to avoid (I assume) those wild swings (variance), that are mostly caused by (in BJ) splits and doubles. If you're betting on the outside in roulette (black/red, odd/even, first/last 18), you're not going to have that kind of variance. Although, yes, there is a higher HE in roulette, I'm going to say you're probably better off playing roulette than BJ, because you don't have to double down and whatnot in roulette. At least, you might be able to stay alive longer in roulette than BJ. Your best bet is likely to be at a craps table, martingale on the pass (or don't pass).
In my opinion, the best betting system out there today, is not to use one!

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Yeah, I'm with you. The fact of the matter is still that even with low variance bets such as the even money bets on AR it doesn't change the fact that you are giving away 5.26% whereas you give away 0.5% average on the blackjack tables. If you use his system he is going to perhaps lose money slower on the even money bets but he will still lose money.
If he is looking for longevity, you are absolutely right. If he thinks his system will allow him to win, he is gravely mistaken, even in the short term.

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Yeah, I'm with you. The fact of the matter is still that even with low variance bets such as the even money bets on AR it doesn't change the fact that you are giving away 5.26% whereas you give away 0.5% average on the blackjack tables. If you use his system he is going to perhaps lose money slower on the even money bets but he will still lose money.
If he is looking for longevity, you are absolutely right. If he thinks his system will allow him to win, he is gravely mistaken, even in the short term.

The Wizard, in the blackjack section of his site, lists the effect on house edge of NEVER splitting or doubling as -1.91% (I'm surprised it's not even worse)... So after thinking this over, I believe that using a martingale system in blackjack is much better then using it in roullette. Even under average bj rules, the -1.91 would not get you to worse than roulettes -5.26%. You just play hands like 8-8 vs a dealer 7 like you would play 10-6. It sucks but if your married to your martingale system and hell bent on never losing on a given hand more than you originally put in the bet circle, then this is the better way. Even better is if you get lucky and get dealt a blackjack on the 6th or 7th martingale double up.
Edit: just to be clear I don't use martingale, condone using martingale, or even allow people who use martingale to make direct eye contact with me. I'm just trying to answer the OP's question regarding which game is better suited for it.

The Wizard, in the blackjack section of his site, lists the effect on house edge of NEVER splitting or doubling as -1.91% (I'm surprised it's not even worse)... So after thinking this over, I believe that using a martingale system in blackjack is much better then using it in roullette. Even under average bj rules, the -1.91 would not get you to worse than roulettes -5.26%. You just play hands like 8-8 vs a dealer 7 like you would play 10-6. It sucks but if your married to your martingale system and hell bent on never losing on a given hand more than you originally put in the bet circle, then this is the better way. Even better is if you get lucky and get dealt a blackjack on the 6th or 7th martingale double up.
Edit: just to be clear I don't use martingale, condone using martingale, or even allow people who use martingale to make direct eye contact with me. I'm just trying to answer the OP's question regarding which game is better suited for it.

much appreciated, thanks! If we meet on the street I will avert my gaze.

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A martingale is a system for someone who presses. He presses when he is losing. It doesnt really matter that the player presses exactly double his last bet. It does matter if he thinks it beats the house [you know better, you say].
Most pressers press when they are winning. These people seem to have more fun.

no one has answered my question. I know all the pitfalls and fallacies involved with this system, thanks anyway for the advice. All I'm asking is, given the same bankroll and the following bj rules, which gives me better odds, bj or roulette?

Martingale bettors should be more concerned about the probability of consecutive losses than HE.

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Even under liberal rules, the probability of consecutive losses is much higher for Blackjack than Roulette, Craps or Baccarat.
The Banker bet in Baccarat has the lowest probability for consecutive losses.
It wins 50.7% of the time.
This discussion reminded me of a challenge the Wizard accepted ten years ago.
Rainsong
What intrigued me about the challenge was that Rainsong's system lasted 168,621 hands.
The Rules were the most liberal that anyone could imagine.

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His book 'Blackjack A winning Procedure -Using Statistical Performances' is available on Kindle.
I saw a hard cover version on E-Bay for $400.

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